The Neon Dragon ([info]neondragon) wrote,
@ 2008-02-04 15:04:00
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Current mood: geeky
Entry tags:love, wacom

Its a sign
For the past two months I've been drooling over the digital marvel that is the 12 inch Cintiq, the newest offering from Wacom. I decided not to purchase one, because for the past 6 years I've gotten by just fine on a little 4x6 Graphire. *begin tangent*

Oh wacom, you sexy beast you:


The Graphire's really small, and that area I'm working on represents the entire area of my computer screen. I have to be zoomed in rediculously close to have my movements and lines be smooth and clean. The size on my Graphire has been something I want to correct for a while now.

The Graphire doesn't have shortcut keys, which means I've got one hand on the keyboard for any "shift" adds "alt" take-aways "ctrl-alt-z" step backs, and "[" or "]" brush size increase/reductions I need to make on the fly. Usually my tablet rests above or below the plane where the keyboard is, depending on if I've got my tablet resting on the moniter ledge or my lap. It's uncomfortable to hold that position for hours, but I get by. The Cintiq, like the newer models if Intuos, allows you to scroll and program several shortcut keys ON the tablet, so I could have both hands on the same plane. That would be nice.

The graphire model I have has 256 levels of pressure sensitivity. This means that if I press harder, the pen will register 256 unique levels of pressure. When I first got into digital art, I had an intuos that at the time had 512 levels of sensitivity. When it broke prematurely, I got the graphire and noticed no difference in how it was reading my pressure and pen tilt at all. Intuos wuz ttly a rip-off!!1! At the time, I was clearly an expert in digital artwork and would have totally been able to appreciate the difference in control:

i maed this 4 sakura mirror in 2001 an he has sparklies cuz he needed teh sparklies cuz thats gud art wiff highlites and ppl just dun't understand how importantz highlites r 2 a pictrue!!1!!!! i no those arn't kanji but I mades them liek kanji cuz that wuz c00l.


With the 256 to 1024 levels of pressure sensitivity I would hope that at this point in my art I may be able to appreciate the difference, though obviously I still have a long way to go in my digital work.

Finally, there's the fact that with the Cintiq, I would be drawing directly on the screen. Nay, in my lap. There's a reason I avoid drawing and inking digitally, and it's the fact that I like seeing what I'm doing while I'm doing it, not watching the moniter with my hands mindlessly moving below me. I could set up a dual moniter setup and run around with my laptop, having the menus all on the laptop screen, and a gorgeous corner to corner zoom in on whatever I'm working on RIGHT IN MY LAP. I think this is the most appealing feature for me.

*end tangent*



Now... about the sign? Despite all these advantages of the cintiq, I couldn't justify getting one because for all that it's better then the graphire... I'm getting by JUST FINE on my graphire. Why replace it with something 10x more expensive when I've got something that still works? That's just wasteful.

Well, today my cord snapped and it's got wires poking out. It will still draw, but has very strange glitches. I'm unsure of whether the cored frayed from constant use or from my wire-loving kitty cats getting into my workstation. The point is, I need a new tablet. I should be bummed about this, but I'm strangely happy that I can now justify what I felt to be a whimsical purchase.

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Edit: It is done. My bank account is not happy, but I am =3




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[info]neongryphon
2008-02-04 08:52 pm UTC (link)
US price: $985
But in the UK it’s £898. That’s $1727 USD. How can they justify that difference?
Ripping the Brits off yet again. I will not be buying this product!

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[info]neondragon
2008-02-04 08:56 pm UTC (link)
The value of the US dollar is going down down down. I should buy before they hike up the price to compensate >.>;

Could you see about getting a friend in the US to ship one to you? Even with insurance and airmail I bet it would cost less overall.

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[info]neongryphon
2008-02-04 09:14 pm UTC (link)
God, no. The import duty would be outrageous. The tablet is nice, but it's not THAT nice. Not worth the fuss or expense. And I won't pay that kind of money on principle. Wacom will have to do better.

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[info]ankewehner
2008-02-04 09:11 pm UTC (link)
Amazon.de sells it for 1.088€, something like 1.600$, and stuff listed on price comparison sites is hardly less.
They're not only ripping off Brits...

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[info]neongryphon
2008-02-04 09:15 pm UTC (link)
It's just digusting. :/

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[info]bettinamarie
2008-02-04 09:05 pm UTC (link)
I am seriously contemplating getting a Cinq, but only for ease of toning book work and lettering (read: word balloons will be MUCH easier for me digitally! XD)...especially after seeing that video!O_O SO want one...but again, like you, I need to justify why I'd really want to spend that much for one given that I'm in more need of a new desktop comp( which I'll be upgrading to one of them sparkly new iMacs! XD) than anything else at the moment >,<

*sigh*....maybe if I do REALLY well in Artist Alley at Anime Boston ^_^;; I shall have to see about it...but not before I get ze iMac!O_O;...and pay taxes! >,< OY!

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[info]neondragon
2008-02-04 09:17 pm UTC (link)
It sounds like you've got your priorities straight =3

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[info]bettinamarie
2008-02-04 10:04 pm UTC (link)
LOL!! I like to THINK I do...but most often than not, I don't! XD LOL

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[info]artonis
2008-02-04 09:12 pm UTC (link)
If you need to justify it, and you need a laptop, you could always get a tablet pc, too. They might not have some of the fancy buttons but if you get one that has wacom parts (usually it's got "penabled" mentioned somewhere), it is basically a cintiq. I can even use some of my old tablet pens, and it's probably the only 1500 dollar purchase I never regretted for a single second.
While a cintiq is nice and all, it has little use beyond drawing.

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[info]neondragon
2008-02-04 09:16 pm UTC (link)
I have an AWESOME laptop allready, so the cintiq seems the more natural choice. However, I'm currently talking to a friend on AIM who isn't sure whether to get a cintiq or a tablet PC. Since you use yours for art may I forward him to this post so he can ask you a couple of questions?

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[info]artonis
2008-02-04 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Well, sure. :)

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[info]sarakazi
2008-02-04 09:51 pm UTC (link)
Also, if your friend decides on a Tablet PC, be careful about which Tablet PC he buys. Some of them have Wacom technology, and some of them don't. Unfortunately, I bought mine before I knew about this, so I've been stuck with a Tablet PC that's not pressure sensitive. I got it to draw on, but I never have because of this. I use my Intuos3 on my Tablet PC instead. :P

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[info]rehposolihp
2008-02-04 09:21 pm UTC (link)
I may be the little demon of spending money but hey, if you can afford it why not? You half-convinced yourself already. :3

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[info]mazokuoni
2008-02-04 09:28 pm UTC (link)
Hehe, I was debating with myself whether I wanted to get one of those a few days ago too. I pretty much convinced myself out of it until I saw that video! I really like the mobility of it.. but as you were saying I've gotten along fine without it. Not to mention that I got a big new sexy monitor recently and if I'm not coloring and inking with it it seems like a waste. And my last tablet lasted me for a nearly decade and I only had to give it up since it couldn't work with Vista.. I'm thinking I'll have to pass for now :

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[info]amanda_now
2008-02-04 09:36 pm UTC (link)
Drawing ability aside, I noticed a HUGE difference when I upgraded from the graphire to the Intuos. I think it makes a definite difference. While you might get by just fine with the graphire, you might work more efficiently on the intuos or cintiq, so maybe you can justify it. For $200 the Intuos 4x6 has paid for itself over and over again for me.

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(Anonymous)
2008-02-04 09:40 pm UTC (link)
If you've never worked on Cintiq, once you do you'll realize why you must have one. I got a used tablet PC (http://firebookduo.livejournal.com/7897.html) (Cintiq'ie + portability = win) a few months ago and now I can work faster and better than ever before and I'm actually starting to get better.

But, I'm also the sort of person that avoids paper & pencil for drawing, so your milage may vary.

BTW, there are great deals on tablet pc's on eBay. I got mine for just under $500.

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[info]firebookduo
2008-02-04 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Grrr, stupid LJ logging me out...

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[info]lunabird
2008-02-04 10:10 pm UTC (link)
Y'know, with the music and the zoom ins and everything that Wacom add felt suspiciously like a porno.

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[info]neondragon
2008-02-04 11:05 pm UTC (link)
I'd hit it.

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[info]mythori
2008-02-04 10:58 pm UTC (link)
HOLY....
=( I just had an orgasm.....

fuck. I wish I would have more money... I'd SO buy one...

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[info]roadkillroy
2008-02-04 11:25 pm UTC (link)
I've had my Graphire since September. I love the damn thing.

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[info]neondragon
2008-02-04 11:29 pm UTC (link)
The graphire has done me proud and is a great little tablet. I'm just wondering what it feels like to drive a Mercedes after driving a Neon for 8 years >.>

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[info]roadkillroy
2008-02-05 07:54 am UTC (link)
yeah I kind of zoned out a little and missed the part about the cord breaking on the Graphire when I wrote that. Sounds like a perfectly good excuse to me.

How much are the Cintiq's running anyway? I refuse to do any research because there's (currently) no way I'll be getting one soon... But I'm still curious

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[info]reactivity
2008-02-04 11:48 pm UTC (link)
Oh my. That's incredibly sexy. Word up to that orgasm.

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[info]draike
2008-02-05 12:33 am UTC (link)
Sounds like you've got the same reason for not getting one as I do. I admit, I WANT one. Like, right now. To be able to work directly on the screen would be so amazing. But my trusty ol' 6x8" Intuos2 is over six years old now and shows no signs of failing. As it is I've only ever had to change the pen nib once.

The problem for me is I really want a bigger surface to work on. I want to save up for the mega-bitch 20" Cintiq, because my wrist has enough problems from working with such a small workspace for so often. Trying to avoid that whole.. carpal tunnel thing. Not a fun time. Having more room to flow and stretch out is bordering on being a health issue for me. :\ I'd love to be able to try one of these things out in person before buying it. Then I'd know for sure whether it's a good investment. I have yet to hear any negative reviews from other digital artists.

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[info]neondragon
2008-02-05 12:42 am UTC (link)
Mega-bitch cintiq is so unportable and cannot be easily rotated to get a good angle. Combined with the cost it seemed good incentive to get 12WX =3 (which is STILL bigger then what I'm working on... by a lot.)

However, giant cintiq does look very sexy. Someday if I become wildly successful I might want a big tablet for working at home and the smaller one for traveling with me, but I just don't have that kind of cash right now.

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[info]draike
2008-02-05 02:05 am UTC (link)
Moving from the 4x6 to that is definitely going to be a huge improvement. Since I won't be traveling with my tablet that much after school is over, I thought the big cintiq might be a better option. But I don't like it's bulkiness. I'm hoping they'll come out with a nice slim one that's that big at some point. Then it'd be perfect. Something nicely balanced between the 12WX and the huge ones.

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[info]yfael
2008-02-05 12:41 am UTC (link)
Dear Santa,

Scew the pony, I want one of those @_@

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[info]damewindhunde
2008-02-05 04:19 am UTC (link)
You got it? Yay! It's a wonderful piece of equipment, you'll love it, I have no regrets about mine.

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It's like a mirror..
(Anonymous)
2008-02-05 04:44 am UTC (link)
I read your post and could only marvel at how similar that scenario is to mine. I have coveted a Cintiq tablet for years but could never justify the expense. I own(ed) a graphire tablet for the better part of 5 years now and made due with it.

When the new Cintiq came out, I had to make a very similar choice. Oh, how I wanted one, but still could not justify spending the money. Now, my graphire has also decided to stop functioning. It will still register the movements of the stylus, but wont respond to any pressure whatsoever.

Unlike you, I still haven't taken the plunge and purchased the new Cintiq.

.. Yet... ;)

Heres to hoping you enjoy your new purchase, and that it helps what is already some very incredible art.

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[info]dozaloz
2008-02-05 08:19 am UTC (link)
Accoridng to IFX, the smaller Cintiq isn't worth the money : / I highly recommend the Intuos3 though 8D

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[info]neondragon
2008-02-05 04:48 pm UTC (link)
It's been ordered. the problem for me is that I need a tablet that can easily be used with my desktop AND my laptop. If I got the 21 inch Cintiq not only would I be forking over 2.5 grand vs 1 grand, I would only be able to use it on my desktop. I get stir crazy and am constantly transferring files via flash drive between my desktop and laptop, and often go over friend's houses to do art parties. (this is not an infrequent thing... this is a 5 night a week thing.) So I NEED the portability.

I didn't read the IFX review, but I did read quite a few online and they did bring up the cons of this tablet. Mainly the size and the fact that it needs to be constantly calibrated if you change your drawing angle often - and I do. The thing is... I've worked on a 4x6 drawing area for years now. This will actually be a step up for me. =3

If I decide that the cintiq is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I'll someday save up for the BIG one. If I got the big one, I'd need to have gotten a portable tablet anyway. ^_^ I can see that some people would figure if you're gonna get the pricy tablets, get the BIG ONE or it's not worth it, and that makes sense, but for my personal situation this was the most logical conclusion.

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[info]dozaloz
2008-02-05 05:25 pm UTC (link)
Well I wish you the best of luck with it and can't wait to see what you can produce 8D I'm kinda jealous coz I just got myself a 4x6 Intuos3 which seems like nothing in comparison xD But I'm still very happy with it and the working area suits me fine. It's a fine upgrade from so many years with a mouse! Maybe if I go into professional art I'll get myself a better model.

How much pressure sensitivity does the Cintiq have? And when will it arriiiiiive? 8D

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[info]neondragon
2008-02-05 06:14 pm UTC (link)
1024 vs the 256 I've been working with for 6 years now =3

It arrives tomorrow. I'll let you know if it shakes the very foundations of my soul ;-)

Honestly I'm not expecting it to greatly increase how fast I work, or improve the quality of my work. I AM hoping it increases how enjoyable it is to work, which in turn I hope would lead to more time spent creating digital art. (which of could be argued WILL increase the quality of my work, because I'm spending more time practicing. >.> No... I'm not giving this tablet unreasonable expectations at all...)

*cough*

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[info]dozaloz
2008-02-05 06:37 pm UTC (link)
The pressure sensitivity will make a -huge- impact, seriously. I mean, people feel the difference from the jump from 512 to 1024, but going from 256 is gonna be like, woah @_@ The Intuos3 has 1024 levels and it is a -dream- to work with, you can get a huge range of marks while barely having to apply any pressure at all and it feels really really natural.

It will not only shake the foundations of your soul, it will take over your soul to produce a mind of its own! Pwaha!

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[info]kulhain
2008-02-05 02:06 pm UTC (link)
Those things are cool on principle. I'm hoping that tablet technology keeps going that way in the future.

-
Lost Dragon

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[info]eknock
2008-02-05 06:02 pm UTC (link)
Congrats on the Cintiq!! :3 Your bank account will get over it once t sees how happy you are! :D

That older picture of yours needs more lens flare! XD

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I own a Cintiq - an owners view.
[info]skipernicus
2008-02-06 07:04 am UTC (link)
Good and Bad.

Good tool? Tops. Works well, I like it a lot, it's the 21UX. For the work I do (layout, design, photoshop stuff) it has revolutionized the way I work. I am much more likely now to attack work that requires extensive masking, airbrushing, etc. I push around layouts using the pen, making me more adventurous in the work I do.

Cheap tool? Hardly. It cost more than my car (a Honda, thanks for asking). It was, however, a legitimate write-off.

I have found that resolution counts for more than pen sensitivity - do I really have 1024 kinds of pressure in my hand? I'd like to say yes, but no... More importantly, amd I working at a rez that will recognize 1024 variations in the brush? Never... Besides, I can use different brush sizes and rely on ole soft, medium, and hard. I'm not convinced more sensitivity is better in this case.

The side button are okay, but i disable the ones on the right (being right handed, I always brush them accidentally), so really I only get 4 keys, not 8. The little zoom slider is nice though. The newer apple keyboards can sorta hand off the top of them while you work: it'll cover up the menu bar, but all your keys are right there. Maybe later I'll post a photo.

They can be really super bright! I had to tone mine way down- working on it was like working on a lightbulb on full brightness. The colors are true, and the picture is crisp.

The stand is designed so you can tilt it down to drawing board level - however, you can never get it adjusted to perfectly straight up and down - there will always be a angle - it can be an issue if you put yours up like a regular monitor when not drawing. (I do). I f you use a second monitor, you will reach towards it with the pen. At first it's hard to use the pen, then it's hard to not use the pen. it takes a little time to really dig in.

It will never feel like a pen and ink, it will always feel like a plastic stylus on glass. If you're into the sensual feel of your materials, prepared to be disappointed. A decent scanners are way cheaper.

Interestingly enough, a cintiq is pretty much a graphire with an LCD screen laid over it. If you are handy and brave, you could build your own. Because of the thickness of the glass, you will see a little gap between the pen point and the line it draws. For some folks thats an issue, for others not.

The top of the screen, around the power button, gets warm. And it is heavy, so no putting it on your lap.

You might have a gander at these; not a pc, and not cheap, but still kinda sexy. After test driving a number of natural media handwriting things, I decided I couldn't live without a keyboard, portability be damned. Then they came out with the new skinny keyboard just after my Cintiq arrived. I sold my Wacom (which was a giant) to a friend.

I bought the optional airbrush and calligraphy pen... But since I do most of my creative stuff in photoshop, I virtually never use them. If I could do it again, I wouldn't have got them.

Overall, I am happy with the cintiq in a way that my graphire didn't satisfy. However, my advice to you, professional maker of art and writer of art books, is to consult a CPA before taking the plunge.

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